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     Combined reginol points

    ADO Informationchadjohnson writes "The ADO has needed to change the way reginol points are handed out, in the past years regions have been allowed to combine and include large numbers of dart players, creating false point totals to winners, when I played regular I won most all the reginol tournaments, but would receive less points than winners in other area's, this would offset the true top players for the year.

    All winners should receive the same number of points, with a huge difference in regions, no player deserves more points for the same performance."



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    Re: Combined reginol points (Score: 1)
    by supabull on Saturday, January 31 @ 10:33:24 CST
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    I'm not following what you're trying to say... can you elaborate?

    I think it's fair that more points are given to winners in more populated regions that typically have to come through a larger field of competitors to win. I'm sure winning a regional here in WA isn't the same as winning one back East.



    Re: Combined reginol points (Score: 1)
    by mretome (holycow@wassamattawitu.org) on Tuesday, February 03 @ 07:21:57 CST
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    I am not sure what a Regional looks like in a smaller region. I can tell you that in 5-3 we frequently get 25-30 shooters for the men's bracket. That breaks out into 3 or 4 round robin brackets with usually the top two from each bracket going into a finals bracket for another round robin to determine a winner. So after 5-6 hours and 30-40 games we finally get a winner and he definitely deserves the points he gets for that performance.



    Re: Combined reginol points (Score: 1)
    by SLEEPYKRAMER on Friday, February 06 @ 23:23:44 CST
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    Well my biggest beef has always been the amount of points...period. When a player can win 4 regionals with 8 players only each time and earn a total combined point total of 196, when in 1985, the men's US #1 for the year ended the year with only 190 points.

    It seems to have become more of a token to be given away rather than something truly earned. Heck, I could win all 4 regionals in a year and be ranked one of the top 50 women in the US. Does that mean I really am one of the top 50 women players in the US right now? Hardly.

    Great conversation starter, Chad....just might end up being the most commented on article on SEWA soon!



    Re: Combined reginol points (Score: 1)
    by habanerojooz on Tuesday, February 03 @ 12:58:37 CST
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    I disagree.

    Why should somebody who wins a regional with 10 players be awarded the same number of points as the person who wins a regional with 28 players?

    The performance doesn't seem the same to me.

    Winning (or placing in) a Regional event with a small field is great. Winning (or placing in) a Regional event with a big field is great. Both are great, but they are not equal IMO.

    Perhaps Brownie will chime in and enlighten us with his view on this.



    Re: Combined reginol points (Score: 1)
    by chunky on Tuesday, February 03 @ 22:40:46 CST
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    Sorry Chad, while I do feel that too many points are awarded for Regional play, I have to agree with what others have said.

    As with tournaments, he quality of a Regional field will vary, and so will the balance of the brackets. However, why should a player from a smaller, and quite possibly weaker Region (as has been mentioned, ie somewhere like WA) receive as many points as someone who has qualified from a much larger, and usually more competitive, Regional?

    Would you suggest that the winner of a $2,000 bar shoot is awarded the same points as a player winning the singles in Virginia Beach or Las Vegas? It may be a different format, but it's the same scenario.

    Steve




    Re: Combined reginol points (Score: 1)
    by supabull on Wednesday, February 04 @ 01:35:31 CST
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    Chad, thanks for clarifying. So if I now understand what you're saying it's that larger regions send more players to the national finals by virtue of their size (1 for every 8 participants), and that in a sense dilutes the difficulty (or, gives one a better chance) of advancing to the finals, therefore it isn't right to award these players more points than a player who comes through a smaller field that has less of a chance of advancing to the finals...

    What do points do other than ranking? Once you make the finals you have a one-in-whatever chance of winning just like everyone else... Just win the games in front of you and you're champ!

    The only scenario I can see as unfair is if someone from WA, for example, advances to and wins each of the national finals, yet still finishes behind someone from back East in the national point standings because the WA player came through smaller fields in their region each time. Is this possible (theoretically, anyway)?



    Re: Combined reginol points (Score: 1)
    by habanerojooz on Wednesday, February 04 @ 20:21:54 CST
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    I understand your beef about it now.

    I've been playing ADO Regionals since '90. I have no problem understanding where you are coming from.

    My suggested solution would be to change the rules as follows:

    - Award no ADO points for playing in a Regional
    - Award no ADO points for playing in a National
    - Award only ADO points to the players who make the National Team
    - Continue to award ADO points for tournament finishes as they do today.




    Re: Combined reginol points (Score: 1)
    by supabull on Thursday, February 05 @ 12:03:10 CST
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    Chad, I think everyone's clear on your point since you've articulated it well. Thanks. Being from a less populated region I can empathize with you, but it is what it is however flawed it may be to you. From my perspective out here, there will always be more and bigger tournaments back East, so there will always be more ranking points available to be awarded. I can't control that other than picking up and moving. But, what I can control is how well I do once I can advance to the next level. Once you make a national final you are still in control of your own destiny regardless of whether someone from another region got more points for finishing 4th in their playoff than the points you got for finishing 1st in yours.

    Winning the games in front of you will take care of everything, points be damned.

    As Al Davis says, "Just win, baby!"



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